A full transcript of the leaked conversations between US Presidential Envoy Steve Witkoff and Putin's representatives Dmitriev and Ushakov

Witkoff and Ushakov's Conversation

A phone call between U.S. President's Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and Vladimir Putin's aide Yuri Ushakov took place on October 14, 2025.

Witkoff: Hey Yuri.

Ushakov: Yes, Steve, hello, how are you?

Witkoff: Good, Yuri. How are you?

Ushakov: Fine. Congratulations, my friend.

Witkoff: Thank you.

Ushakov: You did a great job. Just a great job. Thank you very much. Thank you, thank you.

Witkoff: Thank you, Yuri, and thank you for your support. I know your country supported it, and I appreciate it.

Ushakov: Yes, yes, yes. Yes. You know that's why we suspended the organization of the first Russian-Arab summit.

Witkoff: Yes.

Ushakov: Yes, because we think you're doing a real job in the region.

Witkoff: Well, listen. Here's what I'll say. I think if we can resolve this situation between Russia and Ukraine, everyone will be jumping for joy.

Ushakov: Yes, yes. Yes, we just need to deal with one problem. [laughs]

Witkoff: Which one?

Ushakov: The Russian-Ukrainian war.

Witkoff: I know! And how do we deal with it?

Ushakov: Buddy, I just want your advice. Do you think it would be helpful for our bosses to talk on the phone?

Witkoff: Yes, I think so.

Ushakov: Oh, really? And when do you think that could be arranged?

Witkoff: I think as soon as you suggest it, my boss will be ready.

Ushakov: Okay, okay.

Witkoff: Yuri, Yuri, here's what I would do. My recommendation.

Ushakov: Yes, please.

Witkoff: I would call just to remind him that you congratulate the President on this achievement, that you supported him, that you respect him as a man of peace, and that you are happy with the results of his work. That's how I would approach it. I think it will be a very good call.

Because… let me tell you what I told the President. I told the President that you… that the Russian Federation has always wanted a peace agreement. I believe that. I told the President that I believe that. And I think the problem is that we have two countries that are finding it difficult to compromise, but once we get there, there will be peace. I even think that we might, say, draw up a 20‑point peace plan, like on Gaza. We developed Trump's 20‑point plan, 20 steps to peace, and I think we might do the same with you. My thought is this…

Ushakov: Okay, okay, my friend. I think that's the issue our leaders could discuss. Steve, I agree with you that he will congratulate, say that Mr. Trump is a real peacemaker, and so on. That's what he'll say.

Witkoff: But there's something else that I think would go over great.

Ushakov: Yes, yes.

Witkoff: What if… What if… listen…

Ushakov: I'll discuss it with my boss and get back to you. Okay?

Witkoff: Yes, because listen to what I'm saying. I just want you to say — maybe have you say this to President Putin, because you know, I deeply respect President Putin.

Ushakov: Yes, yes.

Witkoff: Maybe he should say to President Trump: you know, Steve and Yuri discussed a very similar 20‑point peace plan, and something like that will help move things forward, we are open to such things — to working on what is needed for peace.

Between us, I understand what it takes to make peace: Donetsk and maybe the exchange of some other territories. But listen: instead of putting it that way, let's talk more optimistically, because I think that's how we'll reach a deal. And I think, Yuri, that the President will give me a lot of space and authority to reach a deal.

Ushakov: I understand…

Witkoff: …so if we create a situation where, after that, I talked to Yuri and we discussed [the plan] — I think it could lead to serious progress.

Ushakov: Okay, sounds good. Okay.

Witkoff: And one more thing: Zelensky will be in the White House on Friday.

Ushakov: I know. [smiles]

Witkoff: I'll go to that meeting because they want me there, but I think if possible, it would be good to arrange a call with your boss before that meeting.

Ushakov: Before, before [that meeting] — yes?

Witkoff: That's right.

Ushakov: Okay, okay. I understand your advice. I'll discuss it with my boss and get back to you, okay?

Witkoff: Okay, Yuri, see you soon.

Ushakov: Great, great. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Witkoff: Bye, bye.

Ushakov: Bye.

Transcript of the conversation between Ushakov and Dmitriev

A phone call between Putin's special representative Kirill Dmitriev and Vladimir Putin's aide Yuri Ushakov took place on October 29, 2025.

Ushakov: Hello.

Dmitriev: Yuri Viktorovich.

Ushakov: Yes, Kirill Alexandrovich, well, I sent everything there. We'll talk there tomorrow.

Dmitriev: Well, great, great. Yes, yes, yes. I flew to Saudi Arabia, but I think it's very important, yes, because it's a very good way forward.

Ushakov: Well, we need to do as much as possible, what do you think, probably, what do you think? And what should I convey?

Dmitriev: No, look. I think this paper, we'll just make it as our position, and I'll just informally pass it on immediately, that it's all informal. And let them do it as their own. But I don't think they'll take our version completely, but at least as close to it as possible.

Ushakov: Well, the thing is, they might not take it, and say that it's been agreed with us. That's what I'm afraid of.

Dmitriev: No, no, no. That's exactly what I'll do, just together with you, just as you say, word for word, I'll say.

Ushakov: They can then rename it and that's it. Well, there's such a danger. There is. Well, okay, nothing. We'll see.

Dmitriev: Yes, I think it's just like that… And then you can also talk to Steve about this paper. That is, we'll do it neatly.

Ushakov: [inaudible]

Dmitriev: Thank you very much, Yuri Viktorovich. Thank you very much. Thank you. Goodbye.

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